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TheReturnOfTheKing
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Oblivion26
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• 9/6/2013

Identity of the Harbingers

This is a topic that's been discussed for years, but we have yet to completely solidify it. Chaos Crisis Phase III has a lot to do with this, so I figure we should discuss it before we start writing about it.

I do realize that the in-universe characters should not know much about their identity, but the ambiguity can lead to problems in terms of consistency when users have completely different ideas as to what they are supposed to be. What I'm hoping to accomplish is to completely identify the nature of the Harbingers. Since this is a public creation edited by multiple users, it would be appropriate if we discuss it first.

Some of you may know that the Harbingers are the spiritual successors to an earlier type of being on GC known as Titans. While the Titans were far more fantastical in nature, the main reason they were actually removed was because of the following: New users had trouble understanding them, and they could be used to cheaply explain a glaring inconsistency (i.e. A Titan made it that way.)

Goal

The goal of this is to design a society based on what we envision to be the maximum possible technology level. The ultimate, pinnacle of civilization - in their eyes at least.

Possible changes

Pantheon of Qianae

I think it would be best if we combined the Pantheon of Qianae with the Harbingers to make them part of the same civilization. The former could be their government, while the Harbingers would just be citizens. "I" would be considered a historical figure and the founder of the Harbinger civilization - the one who went back in time to create it. Of course, this may not seem to make much sense, but in their eyes, time is nonlinear, and they would not perceive it the same way we do.

Physiology

Harbingers would, of course, have no physical form as being non-corporeal gives them a lot more freedom to move around than a physical body.  They would definitely be immortal, though they could be killed if exposed to something as powerful as a Big Bang.

One possibility I had been tossing around was actually a hierarchy of intelligence. The common Harbingers operate more on instinct - topics like quantum physics would be as natural to them as breathing. The higher ups have more thinking power and are more responsible for planning events.

Technology

They would access to time travel, but everything is in a stable time loop. Whatever was changed was meant to happen anyway. That way, we can still write as we usually do without worrying about time paradoxes.

The Harbingers would definitely have access to multiversal travel, but Omni 01 would have been specifically designed by them. They would have rigged several variables of the Drake equation to allow for the number of civilizations there currently are in the universe. They would have their own self-imposed rules about meddling - they would just be watching all the time while giving the occasional nudge (in the form of prompting dreams and visions) to make things interesting.

As for why the Harbingers created the universe, it would have just been for their own curiosity - because they could make a universe. It would be for the exact same reason we humans would build a robot.

Where are they

Whether they inhabit Locubrermour or the fourth/fifth dimensions of Omni 01, I am unsure of myself. What do the rest of you think?

If another civilization nears their technology level

In the past, we said the Harbingers were responsible for making sure that Mary Sue civilizations never came into existence. Since we removed the tech cap though, it may be possible that a civilization, with enough time, could rival the Harbingers. The Demons definitely would have come close to this.

I think we can explore this question more in the multiversal era after Chaos Crisis. I can see parallels between the creation of countless civilizations, and the invention of sapient artificial intelligence.

Other things to consider

For the Battle of the Gehenna Galaxy, we could just make it so that Vernietigen discovered some sort of "glitch" (the black hole Minos-Vaskus) which would be the reason why the Anathema erroneously appear. Vern would be able to figure this out due to this computing abilities, while it is not immediately obvious for anyone else.

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TheReturnOfTheKing
Krayfish
Oblivion26
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• 9/5/2013

I don't think the question of where they live is relevant for non-corporeal beings so much as what are they, and where did they come from anyway? Interesting to think they started out as corporeal, ignorant and helpless as the Humans, and now they're gods.

I agree with most of your decisions. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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• 9/7/2013

Perhaps, before they became non-corporeal, they had created technology so advanced that they were able to convert themselves to non-corporeal beings?

Also, I think the Achrisians would've almost been one of those civilisations to come close to the tech level of the Harbingers.

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• 9/7/2013

I think Locubrermour would be a good place considering its a dimension between realities, at least in its original form. Not to mention we and other users don't really have a great understanding of 4th or 5th dimensional realities, so it'd be much harder to describe. Also, as for "I" going back in time and the glitches involved with Sunt: Perhaps the Harbingers themselves caused these glitches due to them maxing out on the tech scale. "I" wen't back in time in order to find a solution to fix the glitches and has been for uncountable cycles? It would explain the glitch that would be Minos, as well as help explain Mah's motives better.

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• 9/7/2013

For the technology to turn themselves into non-corporeal beings, that sounds plausible. Of course, it would have been so long that they would have forgotten what it was like to be corporeal let alone what they originally looked like. As for the Achrisians, that's also plausible, though I'm still not quite fond of them looking very similar to humans.

For the glitches, I think it would make sense if they were just more natural bugs rather than having to do with them maxing out the tech scale. Basically, random hiccups that keep popping up when something is altered. I do like the idea of them going back in time to fix glitches, trying to improve each iteration of Omni 01 from the last. Each cycle could be a parallel universe, or a previous version of Omni 01 (ones that are based on our earlier drafts).

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• 9/7/2013

So what you're sort of saying, Kray, is that we're the Harbingers.

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• 9/7/2013

In some ways, that's been implied since the beginning, though we've been more subtle about it nowadays.

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