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TheReturnOfTheKing
Krayfish
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Mr.Robbo
• 9/26/2013

Organizing the timeline

This thread is to remedy a long persisting navigation issue - the lists of dates and events. Since this concerns the entirety of the wiki, we want to know what you think will be the easiest to implement and understand.

Goals

  • Make the timeline pages easy to find.
  • Make the names of every timeline page consistent.
  • Make it easy to change if necessary.
  • Consistent calendar (have Gregorian calendar as a base, and include a conversion chart for the alternate calendar)

Considerations

Below are the known timeline pages. This does not include the history pages:

As you can see, they are inconsistently named which can lead to confusion when it comes to navigation. One of the goals of this thread is to make these pages easy to find.

One thing to consider is that if we have one large timeline with all information, then this will lead to some problems when creating more specific timelines tailored to a single civilization. Mainly, information will be written down in more than one location which can be a real pain when we need to change something.

I do like the effort put into the current timeline subpages (the one that organizes by decades and centuries), but I do not believe they are needed for the reason cited above.

Propositions

  • Consistently name all timelines "Timeline of X" just as we have "History of X".
  • Use the "Timeline pages" category instead of "Chronology".
  • Have multiple timeline pages organized by tier.
    • Intergalactic timelines - The scope of the whole universe. This will detail events such as the Big Bang, heat death, galactic collisions, etc. We'll have to bring back the old Timeline of Omni 01 page.
    • Galactic timelines - These are the scope of the entire galaxy, or interactions between galaxies. These will be in the category, Category:Galactic timelines.
    • Local timelines - Timelines that are exclusive to one (or a few) civilizations. These will be in Category:Local timelines.
    • Change the Timeline portal page so that it just links to intergalactic and galactic timelines. (Local timelines are excluded as those would belong on the species portals).
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TheReturnOfTheKing
Krayfish
InfHistoriesBot1
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Avetzan1
Mr.Robbo
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• 9/26/2013

I like the tiered timeline idea. I expect every timeline won't start at, say, the beginning of the universe (especially for civilizations), so it might be handy to have links on the main timeline saying "Such-and-such a timeline starts here". I think that could make it easier to move between the different timelines, ultimately being able to access any part of the history of Omni 01 from the main timeline page.

As a universal dating system, I have always used UTX (Universal Time matriX) in my science-fictional creations (within and outside GC); the idea being that the dating system is measured as a number of time units (of pre-determined length) from a zero-date.

For example; UTX 987 897 245 873. If you want to make a shortened date (like saying '26th of September' instead of '26th of September 2013'), you would write UTX (9) 873, indicating the number of digits you have missed out. A similar method can be used to refer to an approximate period of time (like saying 'the 21st century). For example, you might write UTX 987 8 (8). The two above examples are based on the original date I gave.

The versatility of the UTX system allows it to work well on all kinds of planets, by doing away with complications such as months and days.

I've never decided what would be used as a zero-date ('year zero'). As our astronomical observation equipment is getting more accurate, we are getting the age of the universe more accurate; the most accurate age I've seen so far is 13,720 million years. If you were thinking ambitiously, perhaps an advanced civilization might be able to determine the date to the nearest year, or even day? You could then ambitiously use the start of the universe as your zero-date. I'm doubtful, though.

As for the "pre-determined length" of time, I'm not sure about that, either. It would likely be something constant in nature, so that it could be easily checked anywhere in the universe. Perhaps the half-life of a certain isotope?

Anyway, due to time-dilation and such, wouldn't it be impossible to assign a single date and time ('Newtonian time') to the whole universe? Or are we still using that silly 'space and time are separate in Omni 01' thing?

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• 9/26/2013

In the early days before we came up with the "space and time are separate" concept, we actually did take time dilation into account. All users made their own calendars to account for it, but it ultimately proved extremely tedious when doing crossovers. That's why we started using the Gregorian calendar as a base.

We've since abandoned the handwaved space-time concept in favor of having time dilation once more, but it's just been treated like an elephant in the room. That is, we don't know what to do about it, and hopefully, it can be resolved here.

I like the half-life isotope idea as well as the UTX system. It seems to be a good way to keep track of time throughout all of Omni 01, though I still think having the Gregorian calendar as an option would be more welcoming to deal with - having the years at the very least.

Lastly, for a year zero, we may as well settle with the current estimate of the age of the universe. Years from now, it will be too tedious to change it to keep up with new estimates that also keep changing.

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• 9/26/2013
I like the tier idea. I don't have much to say here though......
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• 9/26/2013

Omni 01 is an alternate universe, so the age of the universe can be different. I think this is a fantastic idea, as I find it insanely difficult to figure out dates here. As a result, I haven't dated the Zi'vani yet, because I don't know when everything is. The system proposed here is a brilliant solution to the issue. I, unfortunately, have no more to add.

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• 9/27/2013

Every species/race should have a single timeline/history page, accessible from the race's pages and from a master timeline page of the universe. Said timeline page branches into timelines for galaxies, then races.

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• 9/29/2013
Anything that requires a bot?
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• 9/29/2013
Nothing I can think of at the moment.
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• 9/29/2013

No offence, but that's a little creepy.

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