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• 12/17/2013

Static fiction (and possible time travel)

Recently, Suppy and I had discussed the possibility of static fiction. That is, developing all content within the same time period and maintaining a single "present day". All stories and RP's would be set in this time frame or another date which we agree upon. Although our wiki started out this way, it was still underutilized with a much greater focus on backstory than present day time, and we eventually moved away from it. By once again having a set present date, this could eliminate confusion and keep everyone on the same page much more easily.

Suppy's suggested date was 2143 AD, but one of the issues that remain is the articles that are set beyond this date such as the Sunt Invasion and the later phases of Chaos Crisis. Instead of 2143, using 2190 AD, the date when all of the dust of the Chaos Crisis would have settled, is another option although it is clear that 2143 AD is the far more developed of the two dates. It might not be wise to delete articles set in the future as they make up a good chunk of the wiki, but what I had as a counterproposal was to have multiple time periods to choose to write for and connect them via time travel.

Yes, I know what was said about time travel at the beginning of the wiki, but we may be able to get it to work if we agree upon having multiple time periods to choose from. While the specifics still need to be ironed out (if we end up using this idea), the way time travel could be utilized is to have it so that the different time periods are treated as separate locations divided by a time skip (and time travel would probably follow the logic of the stable time loop). I would more or less compare the relationship of these time periods as akin to the relationship between multiple universes in Multiverses Wiki. Just for example, there would be a faction or another group of people that would be capable of travelling from 2190 AD to 2143 AD and back, but there would only be a few that would have this ability, and such factions/characters would be collaboratively created.

As this is a rather significant change, we want to hear your feedback before we make any new rules. Let us know what you think. Which option do you think is best? Should we have a single, set present day, multiple time periods connected to one another, or should we just have no present day?

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The poll was created at 02:38 on December 14, 2013, and so far 14 people voted.
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Krayfish
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• 1/7/2014

Wouldn't that mean no parallel universes, which contradicts established canon and makes retcons much harder?


EDIT: Essentially, Omni 01 is the sole Omni. In other words, no real world as we know it.

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• 1/7/2014

Just because it doesn't use parallel universes to deal with time travel paradoxes doesn't mean that Novikov's self-consistency principle says they don't exist. The self-consistency principle doesn't deal with parallel universes at all; that isn't its purpose.

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• 1/9/2014

I think there's some miscommunication going on here. We are using parallel universes to deal with time paradoxes, or more to the point, we're using them as a place to put retcons. So, how can we have both alternate universes and time paradoxes that would be solved by alternate universes?

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• 1/9/2014

I believe Robbo is just referring to the various theories on time travel in general which in fact contradict one another. Here's how it is handled according to Omni 01's cosmology:

The self-consistency principle is somewhat implied to exist already according to the origin of the Harbingers. The self-consistency principle should also work just fine to connect the various time periods without the aid of parallel universes. All time paradoxes would be stabilized, and would not threaten to destroy the universe.

There are other parallel universes in Galactic Crucibles, but they do nothing more than to serve as holding places for older ideas that have been retconned out. In canon, they have no direct connection to Omni 01, and they only exist because of the many-worlds principle.

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• 1/9/2014

They could also exist as mathematical transformations of Omni 01 itself, as proposed by Hans Moravec in Simulation, Consciousness, Existence.

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• 1/9/2014
In other words... wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
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• 1/9/2014

Well, I think the work of Moravec and Novikov is more scientific than mere 'wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff'...

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• 1/9/2014

Preferably, I would like to have a solidified time travel principle since timey wimey stuff can lead to inconsistencies.

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• 1/10/2014

Definitely, but a discussion involving which type of time travel to utilize could fill up an entire thread. In fact, let's give it a separate thread, assuming we're running with the idea.

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• 1/10/2014
Alright. I've made a new thread.
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